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Sister Mary Teresa Orbegozo, SC and Sister Rosanne Caiazzo, SC
Sister Agnes Socorro Ward, SC
January 1980
Sister Noreen Neary, SC
November 10, 2020

Sr. Agnes Socorro:
We had, of course, orphanages. We had, as I recall it, and I may not have the exact number, we
had at least three orphanages and they were big orphanages. You don't remember them, either, I
don't think.
Sr. Rosanne:
I just remember seeing [Saint Mary Orphanage in Newark, NJ]. It was still open when I entered.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
Yeah. That's still open.
Sr. Rosanne:
[Saint Joseph’s Orphanage in Totowa, NJ], too.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
And, of course. Then another thing we did, I was young when I came and I went to [Holy Cross
School in Harrison, NJ]. Do you know where Harrison is?
Sr. Rosanne:
Yes, Sister.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
There was an old sister there. She was then fifty years in the community. She taught the first
grade. And one of her duties was that she would go around and visit the sick and the poor, and
lay out the dead. It scared [me] to death laying out the dead. I had to go with her. That was my
assignment. The Sister Servant told you, "Do this, that or whatever."
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
And then, I remember in Harrison going upstairs, that you'd think you'd never get to the top.
They were so shaky. And she would go in. And of course, she was there so long, she knew them
all. And the people knew her and she would ask, as I used to say, she asked them everything.
How much money their husband was making? If he wasn't, why wasn't he working? They took it
from her. She was an old sister and they knew she was interested. And then, in Harrison at the
time, there was Saint Vincent de Paul. Have you read about Saint Vincent de Paul?
Sr. Rosanne:
Yes, Sister.

Sr. Agnes Socorro:
He had Ladies of Charity. Father Fitzpatrick, who was then in Harrison, founded a group of
women, which you'd call the Vincentians. They could work and make money for the poor, but
they couldn't give out the money. That was up to the sisters. So she would decide, in a way, how
much money these would get and all of that. In Harrison, we collected [unintelligible]. Then if a
child that anybody would [unintelligible] first communion class would [unintelligible]. Such a
one cannot get a first communion dress, we would see that she got it. And things like that.
Now that was working with the poor, well I think, in a way, more intimately than you do today.
And I remember getting into a scrap when somebody said we did nothing for the poor in those
days. Go without dessert, we'd take it over to some poor kid that we knew didn't have any food,
because there was no such thing as lunches in the schools.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
When did you enter the community, Sister?
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
What?
Sr. Mary Teresa:
When did you enter?
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
1912.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
1912.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
So, life was different. I mean, in Saint Vincent, you read about the sisters going around with a
pot of soup. We didn't go around with a pot of soup, but we went around in the same way and
promised them things, like promised them food. And I remember there was one shoe store that if
they were [unintelligible] the poor, for lack of a better word, they could go to that shoe store,
with a pass from sister, and get shoes. Things are done differently today. But it was done in those
days. There's no doubt about that.
Sr. Rosanne:
You entered at a time when there were a couple of major worldwide issues at hand like World
War I.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
World War I started at 1914.
Sr. Rosanne:

Right. And women's suffrage.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
No, there was no such thing as women's suffrage. They were fighting for it.
Sr. Rosanne:
Fighting for it, right. Were the sisters at all aware of what was happening?
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
Oh, they were aware.
Sr. Rosanne:
Yeah.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
But like that, for instance, they were very much aware of World War I. They did a great deal of
knitting and everything like that, all kinds of work. They could not go out as you might go today.
If you're interested in ERA, you'd go around and picket or something. We couldn't do that, of
course. Life was different. We were not exactly cloistered. But no woman…And most women
didn’t, I'll put it that way.
Some women did it, but most women didn't. And people lived more in their homes and life was
altogether different. This is, of course, what goes on in my class, raking up fashions and all of
that. But then in the Civil War, you see, the Sisters of Emmitsburg and some few of our sisters
did go out and nurse in the battlefields. But in World War I you didn't do it. I think, I suppose,
there was more ways of getting it done, but the need was not as great. Now, however, we had the
flu in 1918. You've heard of the flu.
Sr. Rosanne:
Yes.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
That flu. And some of the sisters from here went to [All Souls Hospital in Morristown, NJ] to
help out. Another sister and myself were sent from Harrison to [Saint Elizabeth’s Hospital in
Elizabeth, NJ] to help out. We did things like that. But there was not so much going out of the
community as there had been in the Civil War. That was a different setup. Know what I mean?
Sr. Rosanne:
Mm-hmm Yeah. The Congregation then did impress upon you always the Vincentian spirit.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:

Oh, yes. You were there for the poor. In fact, when I was missioned in the [Academy of Saint
Elizabeth] here, I was in the old generation. You don't remember that, either, but you've heard of
us. I was there. And then I was brought up to the Academy and I…Oh, I was in a terrible state. I
didn't come to work for the rich, I came to work for the poor. And here I was. No, you were
working for the poor. It was impressed on you that you did without, because if this mission that
you were on could succeed in saving some money, it was turned right into the Motherhouse for
the poor. That's in the old Rule. Hope they have some of those old Rules around some place.
Because I mean, this is going to come up – we’re working on the history of the community.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
And life was different. Now, things are different in you might go out now and get a job and turn
your salary in to the community, for the work of the community. But in going out there, you
have to live accordingly and dress accordingly. You don't go without the way the others say. If a
Sister gave music lessons and every mission had a Sister giving music lessons…You had them in
[Waterbury, CT] too, maybe not in your day, but…You had one lovely saintly woman there. But
anyway, that money was not used for that local community. That was sent right to the
Motherhouse. So, you see this is all part of life, as we knew it. It's different today. It has to be.
Life has changed every place.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
I would not say that women were involved in women's rights as they could be today, because of
our life. You might be interested, you might want it and all of that, but our life was such. You
don't remember when since you could go home. When I first came to the community, if you went
home, you had to be back. You couldn't eat at home. But this was not just our community. This
was every community. You couldn't eat at home. No more than you could sleep at home, of
course. If then you had to be back in the convent at a certain time in the evening, and that did not
change, that time in the evening until about 15 years ago. You remember Sister [unintelligible].
When she was a novice she fought for that. Sisters have a longer time in the evening so they
could get to know their fathers. They never saw their fathers. They had to be back so soon.
So you see, I suppose some of these things were things that were brought from European
communities where life was different. And you see, I know. I have visited. There's one French
community in Ireland. They bought a big, old estate and they care for epileptic children. They
can never go home, or they couldn't when I was there. This was maybe 10 years ago. But their
whole family could come and stay right in the convent, which was... You see? But we had no
way of putting up a whole family in the convent. We didn't have these big estates. I don't what
other social issue besides women's rights was...Sister Mary Cecilia would tell you all the things
she knitted, both in World War I and World War II.
Sr. Rosanne:
What about Mother Xavier, Sister?
Sr. Agnes Socorro:

Well, I didn't know her that well. She was an old, old sister when I came. Very short and very
frail looking. And her office was where that new council room is, there in the front of the
building. Her bedroom was where Sister Mary Canavan's office now is. You know that room.
She slept there with Sister Mary Virginia [Burke]. They did not allow her to sleep alone because
then she was very old. She was very, very rigid. There's no doubt about that. And I suppose in
her way, it was a carry-over from the other communities. You know what I mean?
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
She did not see the Irish communities going home and things like that. So she never went home
herself. In fact, Sister Agnes Paula [Conefrey] used to tell the story that she was going home [to
Ireland] about 1908 and Sister Mary Madeleine [Bull] was with her. And they were out in New
York harbor on the boat. And Sister Mary Madeleine was down in the stateroom saying her
rosary. And Sister said to her, "Will you come up? I want to see the skyline of New York. I’ll
never see it again at night." "No, I won't," she said. "Oh, please, do! I’ll say the Rosary all the
way across the Atlantic if you come up. Come on." "No," she said. "I won't. I will stay here until
we start because we might get sent for to come back."
But the first Assistant Mother, Sister Mary Catherine [Nevin], was extremely kind. And I think
she was kind of a buffer. You know what I mean? She took care of the kindness part of it, so that
the sisters did not feel the rigidness that Mother had. And the next Assistant Mother, [Mother
Mary Cecilia Casey], who was later the second Mother, Mother Cecilia was extremely kind. But
Mother Xavier used to sit in the back of the chapel in the corner there by the twelfth station. I
suppose they put her in there to get her out of the drafts. You see, that chapel was barely finished
when I entered. They put her there in the corner and she sat there. She had her little prie dieu
there. But she was at Mass each and every morning. It was six o’clock in those days. I remember
we were… [Sister Rose Vincentia Bradley] who entered with me…there were five of us, seven
of us came from Ireland together. [Sister Mary Alphonsine Coffey] was one of them and Sister
Rose Vincentia. They’re both at [Saint Anne Villa] Sister Rose Vincentia and myself, Mother
Xavier considered too young to enter. We were 14.
She told Sister Virginia Clare and [Sister Francis Xavier Edgeworth] that we would go to [Saint
Vincent Academy in Newark, NJ]. And she would see us later on. The others entered. But she
sent for us eventually, sometime during the fall, and we came up and there was an old Sister.
And I often wish I knew her name, just for the sake of knowing it. She met us up in the hall and
she said, "Now, when you go in, Mother Xavier will say to you, ‘Isn’t this place more beautiful
than Ireland?’ And be sure to say, ‘Yes.’" Now, there was a lawyer here last week who said she
was a shrewd woman.
She came here, as you know from the history, with five dollars. She had bought that place from
Seton Hall and they didn't give it to her. She bought it for plenty, it cost her plenty. But bit by bit
she bought up all this bits of land. And she wanted them. And she had her reasons for wanting.
There's one now that they want to sell that opens onto Columbia Road because she felt it would
be for the good of the community if we had an opening on Columbia Road.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
You'll enjoy this. This lawyer came up and I had to speak to him and he was saying… He said to
me, "Well, when you were novices and you went down there in the farm and so on, could you

see the cars on Columbia Road?" I said, "The cars?" He said, "Yes, the automobiles." I said, but
there weren't any automobiles in 1920. So, life was slower. I don't know how much formal
education she had. But I believe I once asked. But she had an Irish education. And I'm not saying
this because I'm Irish. It was a very superior kind of education. They had more of a respect for
education than the other people of the world because they couldn't have it. What we can't have,
we want. And I think that she could use that education to further the work of this community.
She built this house and there was no money. It's a good built building. It's still standing after
over 100 years. I look at the trouble they're having with some of these other buildings.
So she was, as he said, she was a shrewd business woman. And one wonders where she got that
because she did not have any training in this life. They said before she entered [Mount Saint
Vincent in New York], she made her living by sewing. So where did she get this? She said it was
God's work, all right.
Sr. Rosanne:
Her value for education too, I think.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
Oh, yes.
Sr. Rosanne:
You pointed out, in the beginning of the [College of Saint Elizabeth].
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
Yeah, she allowed them to begin the college. And there were many people in the community
against it. They didn't want it started. They thought it shouldn't be done at all. They tried to talk
her out of it. A certain faction in the community. But she insisted. She didn't do it quickly, either,
if you notice. She took her good time to think it out. And then she started it. And she educated
the sisters. Even in those days when, as I say, you couldn't go home and you couldn't eat at
home, things like that. What was her name?… [Sister Helen Angela Dorety] Yeah, it was a long
time ago. But she sent her out to the University of Chicago for her biology. And they say nobody
ever was anyone like Helen Angela with the education she got in biology. She was the one who
founded that whole department. I'm not saying that we haven't had good ones since, but this is
Mother Xavier's choice. [Sister Marie Jose Byrne] was allowed to go to Columbia for Latin, so
that she was far-seeing. It wasn't just the moment she was looking at. And while we entered and
you were... In my day, now this had changed in various times, we were postulants three months.
We were novices a year, and then we were sent out.
We didn't have that much education, you know. But on every mission you were on there was an
older sister would take you in the afternoon for [teaching] methods. And you would go out on
Saturdays to class. And you came up here every summer to get [state teacher’s certification]. So
she foresaw all these things and knew they were needed. [unintelligible] You wonder, as I say,
how she did it and why she did it. And she was very wise in her own way and all of that. So I
would say that she had a great vision for the Congregation. There's no doubt about that, in every
way. And in after years that they closed, for instance, the orphanages; that's one of my big
disputes, that we closed the orphanages. I'd rather have a child in an orphanage than in a foster

home. The way they abuse them in foster homes. Of course, this is my opinion, of course. And
look at the cost of [unintelligible] Saint Joseph's Hospital [in Paterson, NJ] like it is today.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
I remember Saint Joseph's Hospital when it was a little bit of a frame house. And she encouraged
them to build the [House of Divine Providence and Home for Incurables in Ridgewood, NJ] that
was supposed to be for the dying and the incurables. Now it has turned into a home for the aged.
Because if you have it as a home for the dying, it would require a number of nurses and all that.
But she founded that. Look at the land she bought up there. And she built that. And I don't know
if it’s in Sister Mary Agnes's book [The New Jersey Sisters of Charity by Sister Mary Agnes
Sharkey, S.C.] or not. I must look it up some time. Have you ever been in the present home that's
up there?
Sr. Rosanne:
Mount Saint Andrew's?
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
Yes.
Sr. Rosanne:
Yes, many times.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
Well, the old home was across the street that burnt down while this one was in the state of
building. But right down at the foot of the new one, you know what I mean by the new one, the
one that's there now, there was a cottage which she bought. In those days, there was a great
amount of [tuberculosis] in this community, as there was every place. And of course we lived so
close, living in the dormitories, and people got it. And there was in Philadelphia a Doctor Walsh
who was very, very famous for his TB treatments.
And she would send the sisters to him and he had a sanitarium in White Haven in the Poconos.
So she decided that she was going to buy this bit of land and this cottage that was up for sale in
Ridgewood. And, she did. And when I went up there, I'd say, roughly speaking about 1960, I
used to walk there with a sister. She was the only child. Her parents had a farm up there. I must
go back to Bergen County sometime because all I remember about Bergen County is walking
through fields and fields and fields and never seeing a person.
I would have to go home with her in the morning. She couldn't go home herself. And she would
work with them all day. And I would sit in the house. And they were very, very good to me.
There was a place that I could lie down. I was only a kid. I wasn’t interested in lying down. And
I'd have a book or something. But she bought this place and there was the famous bluegrass of
Kentucky. He had been a horseman. He had the bluegrass in the yard. At that time, that was
roughly speaking, 1918, there must've been five or six sisters there. They took care of
themselves. They even wrote their own death notices. I know. Think of that.

They didn't put the date in, but on the old death notice her name had to be filled in and where
you died. They even did that. Oh, and they were talking the other day about some [Sister Rose
Bernard Brennan] who’d just come to [Saint Anne Villa] last week. I said, the first one [Sister
Rose Bernard Ryan] was the most beautiful person I ever saw. She was beautiful.
[unintelligible]. [Mother Xavier’s] plan was to have our own sanitarium up there. In the old Villa
[at Convent Station], on that porch that faces the cemetery, notice on the second floor, there's a
screened-in porch.
For a while [Mother Xavier] had TB sisters there, sleeping all together in the one porch and all of
that. She saw that as a need. So, you see, as time went on, there was no further need because they
felt TB was conquered, you know. We got rid of the place in Ridgewood. But she saw to things
like that.
Sr. Rosanne:
See that whole area there is Paramus, which is a fairly new community, where Mount Saint
Andrew is. It was Ridgewood.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
It was Ridgewood, at that time, yes.
Sr. Rosanne:
So I didn't realize that she had acquired that area up there. I mean, it was during her time.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
It was during her time she acquired that. And, you see, the place I stayed in was the old house.
And they were old, old people there. They went there... I suppose something like the Little
Sisters of the Poor today, you went there and that was it. You died there. And there were people
there, wonderful sisters, who just lived for their work.
The thing is that this is a busy day because of the college coming back. They have to come into
this house and greet the girls.
Sr. Rosanne:
Oh. I see. That's right. The girls are [unintelligible]. Sister Mary Teresa, do you have any other
questions?
Sr. Mary Teresa:
Well, I think this is the main thing I wanted to ask.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
Mother Cecilia was a big woman, as big as [Sister Mary Carita Pendergast]. Dark. An Irish
beauty. And, of course, we had the old cap.
And in those days the Mother went out in the morning after Mass. The Mother went out of the
chapel first, followed by the Assistant Mother, followed by every officer. And we were new in

the transept there, you know. The novices sat in the transept and we said [Sister Mary Cecilia
Casey] was Mother Xavier's guardian angel. I never called her anything else
Sr. Rosanne:
It was interesting, when you mentioned Sister Mary Catherine [Nevin] as being kind. Because
when I entered Sister Mary Catherine…
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
Oh, not this Sister Mary Catherine.
Sr. Rosanne:
No, I know that. She was also the Assistant Mother when I knew her.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
Mary Catherine?
Sr. Rosanne:
[Sister Catherine Mary McHale] from Boston. But that's who I think when you talk about the
[unintelligible] for the sisters.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
She was a very kind woman.
Sr. Rosanne:
Yeah.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
But as I said, life was different. And to me, I'm old. They should know that. The changes don't
get me down. The same things get me down that would get me down sixty years ago, people are
not doing the right thing. But the changes don't get me down. If you're doing the right thing, all
right, you've changed. We never changed. That's life. And there were a great many changes in
the community. And I think we have to realize that in their day, they were doing more, I think in
a way, than we do today in a different way. They couldn't go out the doors. They had to do it
from the inside out.
For instance, Sunday, you had Sunday school classes in the morning. You counted the money in
the afternoon, the parish money. You had then maybe a couple of days a week, you'd have to go
to someplace three or four miles away to teach Sunday school. And it was not an easy life. I
survived, so it couldn’t have been too… But I mean, you have to realize that you're not
comparing. I don't like comparing and saying we're doing more today than then, or they did more
then. No, I don't think you should compare. I think you should know it, as we lived it.
Sr. Rosanne:
So true.

Sr. Agnes Socorro:
But then now there's some people, and Sister Carita agreed with me on this, the last meeting we
had, some people who say that Mary Agnes's book is inaccurate. Sister Carita agreed with me
that it is not inaccurate. There are misprints. She said, "I think she was inaccurate in this way." A
man's name, whether it was John or James, meant nothing to her. She would quickly write down
Mr. John and it might've been Mr. James. But the main things are right, because I have read it
twice lately. There are a few dates and I think they're misprints. For instance, somebody posted a
picture. The old Nazareth [novitiate] that I entered, that it was destroyed in 1909. And I said to
[Sister Hildegarde Marie Mahoney], who happened to be standing there at the same time, I said,
it couldn't have been. I lived in it. The old Nazareth was... Remember where the men's house
was?
It was on that spot. It was an old frame house that had been the first boys' house [Saint Joseph’s
School]. And this is another thing [unintelligible]. [Mother Xavier] sent Sister Mary Paula to
Europe to study painting and art. This was roughly speaking, 1909 or 1910.
And the boys said to me, maybe this isn't a nice word. I call her shrewd. [Mother Xavier] sent
her to Europe. I'm not sure of the date. Was either 1909 or 1910. It was before I entered. All
right. She sent with her Sister Mary Julia [Donovan]. Mary Julia had been in another community.
She entered a Black community in Baltimore. But that makes no difference.
Speaker 3:
Was she a Black sister?
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
No, no. But there were a few other whites entered at the time, but she thought this would be a
wonderful sacrifice, you see. She was from Beverly Farms [Massachusetts], outside of Salem.
And the Donovans were fairly comfortable. She has a nephew in the Jesuits. He was implicated
in this seismograph business and all of that. But anyway, she sent Sister Mary Julia with her to
make her study the novitiates in Europe. And one of the things that we know of, she came back
and she said that in Europe, and I'm telling the story badly, but before this, the novitiate was in
this building. When they built convent wing, we've been sure where that is, the novitiate had a
big room, like a big community room, was on the first floor over there. And the novices slept up
through the house and corners, wherever. But Sister Mary Julia found out that in Europe, the
novitiate was on the motherhouse grounds, but in a separate building. And that's what it should
be. Therefore, almost immediately, the boys’ house, the new boys’ house, which is now that
school for... You know, the one I mean… was built. And the reason that was built. There's a
sister, [Sister Mary Casimir Reynolds]. You wouldn't know her because she was in Salem for
years. She was a saint out of heaven. She was one of the tobacco Reynolds. So when her father
died, she got quite a legacy. So it was used to build the new boys’ house. My generation calls
that the new boys’ house. So the boys were out. She took the boys all together out of the old
boys’ house, moved them over there. The old boys’ house was turned into a novitiate. And Sister
Mary Julia was made the mistress. So that that was another thing that...
Sister Mary Ellen Gleason said something to me, "Were you taught about the history of the
community by your mistress?" I said, “Well, I didn't have a mistress in the early days.” Because
Sister Mary Julia was one of these who had to be sent away when she got TB. So that she was up
in White Haven and there were a couple of women brought in to be Mistress of Novices and they

could not see it because we had to come up, all kinds of weather, to do the charges, to wait on
table. And waiting on table meant wait for a six o’clock supper, as well. And we’d go down in
the evenings and there was an old fellow around then, who would have an old sled and he'd give
us a ride on that. It was a big sled with a horse. But they didn't think that this was wise. So that
was when she built [Nazareth novitiate] that was torn down [in 1978]. She built that because that
way we would be in keeping with what they were doing in Europe. It would be a separate
building on the motherhouse grounds. And that was what they found they had to do when they
opened Harper's. Harper's is the present novitiate.
You see, of course I blame it on my family. My grandfather lived with us. And if my grandfather
was talking, we had to keep quiet. He was my mother's father, but my father would be very
insistent that we listen to what he said. So then when I came to the community, that was
ingrained in me. And I listened to the older sisters. So some of these things I've gotten from the
older sisters. We've had a great many wakes at Convent. And [Sister Mary Rosalita Hyland]. Do
you remember Sister Rosalita?
She was a music teacher, beautiful woman.
Every wake she was in the corner, and I was Circle Angel, so I could be... The Circle Angel was
the Sister of Charity to the Academy girls, supposed not to teach. I'd be free during the day, and
I’d go in and [unintelligible] and sit there at the wakes. And she would tell me more, things like
that. So that some of these things are hearsay to me. So, for instance, she told, me, you don't
remember our old dining room was where the sculleries are now.
See, they built the new one [unintelligible] the 100th anniversary [unintelligible]. And that
dining room... I call them the music rooms because when I entered all of these other rooms were
music rooms and they were here. Then there was a passageway. And then there was the dining
room. What Sister Rosalita told me that, before the chapel was built, there was no corridor there.
These sisters slept in these bedrooms, [Sister Mary Honora Foy] and some people that were
wonderful women. They slept in these bedrooms right off the dining room. The kitchen was in
the basement.
And some of the older Irish sisters would tell us the way they had to work when they came. I'm
not saying the others didn't now, but they were speaking for themselves, the way they had to
work in the kitchen and whatnot. And when I entered, there were all sisters in the kitchen. We
were saying that only the other night. Again, how old the sister... The Sister Rose Bernard who
has come to the Villa now had charge. She was in the novitiate with [Mother Josephine Marie
O’Brien]. She said she had charge of the dairy down here in the kitchen.
And I said, “Do people remember Sister Honora?” She was a wonderful woman, she had charge
of the kitchen. These people had no education. But when we were in the old Juniorate, if I asked
[Sister Mary Stephanie Bird], who was in charge of the kitchen, for a leg of lamb, she’d say, well
now, I'll give you this size and this will feed so many people. Now I’ll bet you the man that's
getting a big salary down there couldn't tell you that. These people had had no education. So that
God took care of His own. That's the only way you can account for it.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
That's beautiful, Sister. That's beautiful.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:

But as I say now, don't start out to compare. We were not better than. Maybe individually, some
of them were better than, because I have lived with saints. I've lived with real saints in this
community. But it's just individuals that were better.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
Yes. Thank you, Sister, for the time you gave us. We wanted to take some pictures, somewhere
there.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
You don't want a picture of me. That wasn't on, was it?
Sr. Mary Teresa:
Yeah.
Sr. Agnes Socorro:
Oh, my goodness.